CICS/TS shutdown time

[Dan Gofton]

Hello all,

We cycle our CICS partitions (1 test, 1 prod) every night. It has just been
brought to my attention that these seem to be taking an inordinate amount of
time to shut down. I have no idea how long this has been happening, but we
went to VSE 2.7.1 on April 17. We issue the shutdown in a REXX proc with:
MSG SAGPROD,DATA=CEMT P,SHUT

Looking back at the console, I can see there is about a 7 minute time lapse
between the journal files being closed and a warm keypoint being taken:

C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED.
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04
21.15.24

Is this normal? I recall CICS taking just 3 or 4 minutes to shutdown
previously and we're now looking at 8 to 10 minutes. Any ideas what it is
doing during this 7 minutes that would take so long?

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

[D***@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/19/2004 8:20:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
***@saginawcounty.com writes:
Any ideas what it is
doing during this 7 minutes that would take so long?
Going out for coffee?

Seriously, what is in your shutdown PLT? That might give some clue.

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[Dan Gofton]

Shutdown PLT contains nothiing new from our previous version

COPY IESZPLTS COPY VSE/ESA INCL. VSE/ICCF ENTRIES
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=MTPPPLT
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DFH0STAT
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DFHDELIM
DFHPLT TYPE=FINAL


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: CICS/TS shutdown time


In a message dated 5/19/2004 8:20:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
***@saginawcounty.com writes:
Any ideas what it is
doing during this 7 minutes that would take so long?
Going out for coffee?

Seriously, what is in your shutdown PLT? That might give some clue.

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[Dan Gofton]

Thanks, Bob. I'll see what this does for me.

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

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***@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:38 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: Re: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,


<<Any ideas what it is doing during this 7 minutes that would take so
long?>>

Have you done a CEMT I TASK right before issuing CEMT PER SHUT? What tasks
are active?

I have attached a shutdown assist program, written by IBM, but renamed and
slightly modified by me. I have not had a problem in using it.


Bob Botsis
Kroger Company
513.745.5487
***@aol.com
(I read and I remember,
I do and I understand)

[D***@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/19/2004 8:43:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
***@saginawcounty.com writes:
MTPPPLT
Daniel:

What is MTPPPLT? It is the only thing I do not recognize in your PLT. To
eliminate things, try commenting out DFH0STAT - or change the program to issue
a STOP RUN as the first instruction. Just to isolate the problem!

And, as Bob suggested, see what tasks are running before issuing the
SHUTDOWN. Any long-running programs that might be there?

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[Dan Gofton]

MacKinney systems CEMT FROM BATCH product.

Will do the inq,tas prior to shutdown.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Dan
MTPPPLT
Daniel:

What is MTPPPLT? It is the only thing I do not recognize in your PLT.
To eliminate things, try commenting out DFH0STAT - or change the program to
issue a STOP RUN as the first instruction. Just to isolate the problem!

And, as Bob suggested, see what tasks are running before issuing the
SHUTDOWN. Any long-running programs that might be there?

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[Michael Horlick]

If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm keypoint
successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have
already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT programs
have executed.

Mike

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Of ***@aol.com
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Subject: Re: CICS/TS shutdown time


In a message dated 5/19/2004 8:43:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
***@saginawcounty.com writes:

MTPPPLT

Daniel:

What is MTPPPLT? It is the only thing I do not recognize in your
PLT. To eliminate things, try commenting out DFH0STAT - or change the
program to issue a STOP RUN as the first instruction. Just to isolate
the problem!

And, as Bob suggested, see what tasks are running before issuing the
SHUTDOWN. Any long-running programs that might be there?

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[Dan Gofton]

MessageGood point, Mike. Here is everything issued to syslog. It does say
control returned from PLT programs and it looks like the CEMT from Batch job
and the statistics print job finished fine. The problem appears to be later
on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN
TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS. 05/18/04
21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS QUIESCING. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK TO PLT PROGRAMS. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT RUNNING 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED BY PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED - TASK NO. 45 05/18/04
21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS.
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME
21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY
21.08.01
TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED.
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN STARTED 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3 FILE(S) COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.15.25
05/18/04
21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN CODE=0000 05/18/04
21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28, DURATION 23/40/15 05/18/04
21.15.28


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm keypoint
successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have already
been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT programs
have executed.

Mike

[Michael Horlick]

Dan,

What is this :

C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26

Are you running TMON ?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf
Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 11:56
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Good point, Mike. Here is everything issued to syslog. It does say
control returned from PLT programs and it looks like the CEMT from Batch
job and the statistics print job finished fine. The problem appears to
be later on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN
TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS. 05/18/04
21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS QUIESCING. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK TO PLT PROGRAMS. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT RUNNING 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED BY
PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED - TASK NO. 45 05/18/04
21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS.
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME
21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY
21.08.01
TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED.
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN STARTED 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3 FILE(S) COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.15.25
05/18/04
21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN CODE=0000 05/18/04
21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28, DURATION 23/40/15 05/18/04
21.15.28



Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm keypoint
successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have
already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT programs
have executed.

Mike

[Dan Gofton]

MessageYes, exactly.

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:04 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

What is this :

C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26

Are you running TMON ?

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf
Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 11:56
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Good point, Mike. Here is everything issued to syslog. It does say
control returned from PLT programs and it looks like the CEMT from Batch job
and the statistics print job finished fine. The problem appears to be later
on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN
TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS. 05/18/04
21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS QUIESCING. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK TO PLT PROGRAMS. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT RUNNING 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED BY
PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED - TASK NO. 45 05/18/04
21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS.
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME
21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY
21.08.01
TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED.
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN STARTED 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3 FILE(S) COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.15.25
05/18/04
21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN CODE=0000 05/18/04
21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28, DURATION 23/40/15 05/18/04
21.15.28


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf
Of Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm
keypoint successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have
already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT
programs have executed.

Mike

[Michael Horlick]

Dan,

Did you take a look at this message and why you're getting this (The
book says something about the DLS interface module LMDL400 not being in
the SVA) ? Is this a new message you're getting or were you getting this
even when the shutdown was quicker ? I believe TMON runs as a subtask
but it seems to be only other thing besides IBM code that could be
running at the time. Can you easily bring up a test CICS with and
without TMON and see the effect on system shutdown times ?

Regards

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf
Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 12:57
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Yes, exactly.


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:04 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

What is this :

C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26

Are you running TMON ?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf
Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 11:56
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Good point, Mike. Here is everything issued to syslog. It does say
control returned from PLT programs and it looks like the CEMT from Batch
job and the statistics print job finished fine. The problem appears to
be later on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN
TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS. 05/18/04
21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS QUIESCING. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK TO PLT PROGRAMS. 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT RUNNING 05/18/04
21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED BY
PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED - TASK NO. 45 05/18/04
21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS.
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME
21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY
21.08.01
TERMINATED. 05/18/04
21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04
21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED.
21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN STARTED 05/18/04
21.15.24
05/18/04
21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3 FILE(S) COMPLETED 05/18/04
21.15.25
05/18/04
21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN CODE=0000 05/18/04
21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28, DURATION 23/40/15 05/18/04
21.15.28



Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm keypoint
successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have
already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT programs
have executed.

Mike

[Dan Gofton]

MessageI don't recall if we've gotten this message before or not.

I ran a libr ld sdl and phase LMDL400 IS there. IIRC, TMON loads into the
SVA what it needs at startup time.

I'll see if I can go back into our console tapes and see if this message is
something relatively new.

Thanks for your help!

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:28 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

Did you take a look at this message and why you're getting this (The book
says something about the DLS interface module LMDL400 not being in the SVA)
? Is this a new message you're getting or were you getting this even when
the shutdown was quicker ? I believe TMON runs as a subtask but it seems to
be only other thing besides IBM code that could be running at the time. Can
you easily bring up a test CICS with and without TMON and see the effect on
system shutdown times ?

Regards

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf
Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 12:57
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Yes, exactly.

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf
Of Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:04 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

What is this :

C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099 05/18/04
21.15.26

Are you running TMON ?

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On
Behalf Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 11:56
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Good point, Mike. Here is everything issued to syslog. It does say
control returned from PLT programs and it looks like the CEMT from Batch job
and the statistics print job finished fine. The problem appears to be later
on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN
TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS.
05/18/04 21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS QUIESCING.
05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK TO PLT PROGRAMS.
05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT RUNNING
05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED
BY PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED - TASK NO. 45
05/18/04 21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED
05/18/04 21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS.
21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME
21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT TERMINATED.
05/18/04 21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN
SUCCESSFULLY 21.08.01
TERMINATED.
05/18/04 21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING
21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS CLOSED
05/18/04 21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN JOURNALS NOW CLOSED
05/18/04 21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT SUCCESSFUL.
05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA
CLOSED. 21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION OF CICS IS COMPLETE.
05/18/04 21.15.24

05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN STARTED
05/18/04 21.15.24

05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3 FILE(S) COMPLETED
05/18/04 21.15.25

05/18/04 21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12'
21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099
05/18/04 21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN CODE=0000
05/18/04 21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28, DURATION 23/40/15
05/18/04 21.15.28


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It
goes on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On
Behalf Of Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals being closed and the warm
keypoint successful messages I think the programs executing in the PLT have
already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message after the Phase 2 PLT
programs have executed.

Mike

[Ed Martin]

Hello Dan, Do you have ICCF in this partition too?

DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=IESCICSD FOR VSE/ESA SHUTDOWN
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DTSICCF FOR ICCF LONG-RUNNING TASKS
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DTSSHUT FOR VSE/ICCF SHUTDOWN

These are in IESPLTS.

The MTPPPLT should not be a problem as it is CEMT/BATCH.

The only two that I see are the DTSICCF/DTSSHUT. So could you have some
people on that are not loging off?

Edward M. Martin
Unlimited Software Resources
Dowling Consulting Group
1295 Corporate Drive
Hudson, Ohio 44236
330-656-1136
330-650-0172 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Gofton [mailto:***@saginawcounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:43 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Shutdown PLT contains nothiing new from our previous version

COPY IESZPLTS COPY VSE/ESA INCL. VSE/ICCF ENTRIES
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=MTPPPLT
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DFH0STAT
DFHPLT TYPE=ENTRY,PROGRAM=DFHDELIM
DFHPLT TYPE=FINAL



Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on
- Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU [mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of
***@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:28 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: Re: CICS/TS shutdown time


In a message dated 5/19/2004 8:20:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
***@saginawcounty.com writes:

Any ideas what it is
doing during this 7 minutes that would take so long?

Going out for coffee?

Seriously, what is in your shutdown PLT? That might give some clue.

David Wakser
InfoCrossing

[k***@comcast.net]

Just for grins ... How do the CI/CA split information for your RSD, GCD, and LCD look? Maybe the files could use to be reorganized or possibly need a defined BUFSP that's more than the system default. This could have impact on the speed of the warm keypoint being taken.

--
Kevin Corkery
Independent Consultant
Voorhees, New Jersey

[Dan Gofton]

The RSD, GCD and LCD and deleted and defined and initialized with each run
of CICS. I'll look at the split info after it comes down tonight.

As far as bufferspace, I do not have a clue as to what I might need.

Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes
on - Robert Frost

Post by Dan Gofton
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:25 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time
Just for grins ... How do the CI/CA split information for your
RSD, GCD, and LCD look? Maybe the files could use to be
reorganized or possibly need a defined BUFSP that's more than the
system default. This could have impact on the speed of the warm
keypoint being taken.
--
Kevin Corkery
Independent Consultant
Voorhees, New Jersey

[k***@comcast.net]

That could be part of the problem. Completely redefining the file each run may cause more overhead than leaving the records in place *(and maybe reorganizing). Basically, your starting raw each time the system goes to record a warm keypoint. Insertion of records, except in a few circumstances, into a newly defined file can be a little slow. I would try just leaving them alone to see if that makes a difference.

--
Kevin Corkery
Independent Consultant
Voorhees, New Jersey

Post by Dan Gofton
The RSD, GCD and LCD and deleted and defined and initialized with each run
of CICS. I'll look at the split info after it comes down tonight.
As far as bufferspace, I do not have a clue as to what I might need.
Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

[Williams, Larry]

Have you called the support center on this. I remember a couple of years
back in a prior life having this same issue that generated an APAR. The
resolution took a lot of effort over several weeks so they should have a
lot documented.



Larry Williams
Senior Systems Programmer
The Cendant Timeshare Resort Group
8427 South Park Circle
Orlando, FL 32819
407-248-4342
407-496-9475 Cell

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Horlick [mailto:***@cgi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:28 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

Did you take a look at this message and why you're getting this
(The book says something about the DLS interface module LMDL400 not
being in the SVA) ? Is this a new message you're getting or were you
getting this even when the shutdown was quicker ? I believe TMON runs as
a subtask but it seems to be only other thing besides IBM code that
could be running at the time. Can you easily bring up a test CICS with
and without TMON and see the effect on system shutdown times ?

Regards

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU
[mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 12:57
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Yes, exactly.


Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned
about life: It goes on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU
[mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:04 PM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Dan,

What is this :

C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR DFHSIP HAS
FAILED. RC= X'12' 21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099
05/18/04 21.15.26

Are you running TMON ?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU
[mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Gofton
Sent: 19 mai, 2004 11:56
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


Good point, Mike. Here is everything
issued to syslog. It does say control returned from PLT programs and it
looks like the CEMT from Batch job and the statistics print job finished
fine. The problem appears to be later on.

C1 0098 DFHTM1715 SAGPROD CICS IS BEING
QUIESCED BY USERID CNSL IN TRANSACTION
CEMT AT TERMINAL REXS.
05/18/04 21.07.40
C1 0098 DFHDM0102I SAGPROD CICS IS
QUIESCING. 05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 DFHTM1709I SAGPROD ABOUT TO LINK
TO PLT PROGRAMS. 05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 IESC1052I SERVER TASK IS NOT
RUNNING 05/18/04 21.07.41
C1 0098 <CMTD104> SAGPROD BATCH MASTER
TERMINAL PROGRAM DISABLED BY PLTSD
C1 0098 TVCE64022I - TASK WAS FORCED -
TASK NO. 45 05/18/04 21.07.48
C1 0098 STATISTICS PRINT SUCCESSFULLY
COMPLETED 05/18/04 21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1710I SAGPROD CONTROL
RETURNED FROM PLT PROGRAMS. 21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1781 SAGPROD CICS SHUTDOWN
CANNOT COMPLETE BECAUSE SOME 21.07.56
NON-SYSTEM USER TASKS HAVE NOT
TERMINATED. 05/18/04 21.07.56
C1 0098 DFHTM1782I SAGPROD ALL
NON-SYSTEM TASKS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY 21.08.01
TERMINATED.
05/18/04 21.08.01
C1 0098 DFHZC2305I SAGPROD TERMINATION
OF VTAM SESSIONS BEGINNING 21.08.02
C1 0098 DFHZC2316 SAGPROD VTAM ACB IS
CLOSED 05/18/04 21.08.16
C1 0098 DFHJC4510I SAGPROD ALL OPEN
JOURNALS NOW CLOSED 05/18/04 21.08.27
C1 0098 DFHWK0105I SAGPROD WARM KEYPOINT
SUCCESSFUL. 05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHDU0303I SAGPROD TRANSACTION
DUMP DATA SET DFHDMPA CLOSED. 21.15.24
C1 0054 DFHKE1799 SAGPROD TERMINATION
OF CICS IS COMPLETE. 05/18/04 21.15.24

05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 4A87I AUTOMATIC CLOSE HAS BEEN
STARTED 05/18/04 21.15.24

05/18/04 21.15.24
C1 0054 4A88I AUTOMATIC CLOSE FOR 3
FILE(S) COMPLETED 05/18/04 21.15.25

05/18/04 21.15.25
C1 0054 TVSE01014E - LOG REQUEST FOR
DFHSIP HAS FAILED. RC= X'12' 21.15.26
MODULE=TVSE099
05/18/04 21.15.26
C1 0054 EOJ SAGPROD MAX.RETURN
CODE=0000 05/18/04 21.15.28
DATE 05/18/2004, CLOCK 21/15/28,
DURATION 23/40/15 05/18/04 21.15.28



Daniel Gofton
County of Saginaw, Michigan
[phone]

In three words I can sum up everything
I've learned about life: It goes on - Robert Frost

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU
[mailto:owner-vse-***@Lehigh.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Horlick
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:42 AM
To: VSE Discussion List
Subject: RE: CICS/TS shutdown time


If the delay is between the journals
being closed and the warm keypoint successful messages I think the
programs executing in the PLT have already been completed.

If this a CICS/TS system I get a message
after the Phase 2 PLT programs have executed.

Mike








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